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               If the one of lab value shows EX in front of value, It means that it violates the inclusion criteria..
and there is investigator comment "not significant" then wat should a monitor do????
               However it clearly reflects exclusion criteria..

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Re: About Investigator comment on lab Results_Monitors Responsibility????
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2009, 10:42 AM »
If the lab reports infers a certain lab value, in this instance say, "Ex" - meaning Exclusion and it clearly relates to an exclusion criteria, then, the subject has to be excluded from the study.

For eg: If a protocol demands the lab parameter Hb (Hemoglobin) to be between 10-14 g/dl and a subject's report says 9.8 g/dl and that investigator comments saying "not significant", in such a situation, the subject cannot be considered to be eligible for the study ; as it has a bearing on the exclusion criteria. Monitor has to reiterate the fact that the subject cannot be included in the trial.

Alternately, if the same is seen in further visits and investigator comments as "not significant", then the monitor can accept the same, as appropriate, because the investigator's clinical judgement will play a role in further treatment administration. If the same is judged to be 'Clinically significant', subsequently, the following actions will be ensured.

ICH-GCP 4.3.2: During and following a subject's participation in a trial, the investigator/institution should ensure that adequate medical care is provided to a subject for any adverse events, including clinically significant laboratory values, related to the trial.

4.11.2 Adverse events and/or laboratory abnormalities identified in the protocol as critical to safety evaluations should be reported to the sponsor according to the reporting requirements and within the time periods specified by the sponsor in the protocol.

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Re: About Investigator comment on lab Results_Monitors Responsibility????
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2009, 02:30 PM »
hello friends,
               If the one of lab value shows EX in front of value, It means that it violates the inclusion criteria..
and there is investigator comment "not significant" then wat should a monitor do????
               However it clearly reflects exclusion criteria..

Tushaar


In this case, the protocol clearly is defining that the lab value is exclusionary by protocol. I see this as a issue in protocol training to the PI/Site. Please retrain the PI/Site staff on the protocol and especially I/E to avoid inadvertent enrolment.
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Re: About Investigator comment on lab Results_Monitors Responsibility????
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2009, 06:35 AM »
Dear All,

If the one of parameter is EX and it is not corelating with other related parameters as all the other relating parameters is all within the limits then can't this be a error in the testing lab? ??? so can't  the PI then mark as NCS and continue with the subject....  ???

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Re: About Investigator comment on lab Results_Monitors Responsibility????
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2009, 06:37 AM »
Dear All,

If the one of parameter is EX and it is not corelating with other related parameters as all the other relating parameters is all within the limits then can't this be a error in the testing lab? ??? so can't  the PI then mark as NCS and continue with the subject....  ???

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I guess, the comment cannot be for the inclusion/exclusion criteria of the protocol, in case the EX truly infers exclusion.

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Re: About Investigator comment on lab Results_Monitors Responsibility????
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2009, 06:40 AM »
I assumed 'EX' in the above discussion means Exclusionary. Assuming the same to your point seema,

No, the investigator cannot continue this patient until and unless the point you have made that the error is  in the lab results is proved and new lab results are available corresponding to inclusionary values.

Otherwise, the whole purpose of the protocol and scientific study we talk about is defeated.

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Re: About Investigator comment on lab Results_Monitors Responsibility????
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2009, 06:55 AM »
Dear pnreddy,
                 Sorry but i didnt get how can anyone challenge the lab result.As this result are given by central lab of the sponsor which have good accrediation & evrything goes according to sop and GLP . I would like to ask that can any investigator challenge the result of central lab of sponsor and can he use other lab for further investigation i.e. (spc for that criteria only not for complete study)
                Whose decision will be final??? sponsor or investigator??????

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Re: About Investigator comment on lab Results_Monitors Responsibility????
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2009, 07:00 AM »
Dear pnreddy,
                 Sorry but i didnt get how can anyone challenge the lab result.As this result are given by central lab of the sponsor which have good accrediation & evrything goes according to sop and GLP . I would like to ask that can any investigator challenge the result of central lab of sponsor and can he use other lab for further investigation i.e. (spc for that criteria only not for complete study)
                Whose decision will be final??? sponsor or investigator??????

Tushaar..


Dear Tushar,

Even in a central reference lab(CRL) things can go wrong ::) & to add the lab need not be of the sponsor only this activity can be outsourced to any accredited CRL.  So i think PI can ask for a retest of the sample for that particular parameter....& the result will be the base for the final decision ;D

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Re: About Investigator comment on lab Results_Monitors Responsibility????
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2009, 07:08 AM »
Dear pnreddy,
                 Sorry but i didnt get how can anyone challenge the lab result.As this result are given by central lab of the sponsor which have good accrediation & evrything goes according to sop and GLP . I would like to ask that can any investigator challenge the result of central lab of sponsor and can he use other lab for further investigation i.e. (spc for that criteria only not for complete study)
                Whose decision will be final??? sponsor or investigator??????

Tushaar..


The investigator shall abide and follow with the lab identified for the trial, especially for those concerning the inclusion of subjects to the trial & efficacy parameters.

The concept of employing Central Labs for this is to ensure uniformity and consistency in the analysis and reporting of laboratory parameters. Sponsors will be responsible in ensuring the selection of appropriate labs.

With the safety aspects, during the course of the trial, if protocol permits and also, if it is to decide on the treatment, the investigator can opt for a local lab.

What pnreddy is trying to emphasise here, is the inclusion of a subject to the trial on the basis of a report in hand from a lab identified for the trial. Here the particular lab parameter is out of the range indicating exclusion of the trial subject. The investigator has to abide to the report, unless somebody proves the result of the lab to be wrong / a corrected report is in hand which considers the subject to be included as the parameter falls back to the suggested range. This instance will be a rare case, unless there seems to be a trend in the reports of the lab across the samples received from all sites.

Hope things are clear

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Re: About Investigator comment on lab Results_Monitors Responsibility????
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2009, 07:29 AM »
Thanks sushma, seema and pnreddy now i am cleared about this..

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